MetRik Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 Delos potions should have be cooldown. Actually its OK to remove that item, its not one of essential items of Knight Online. It's not good idea to let people farm this item with makro and spam this "upgraded minor healing" with makro 2 1 1 5 1 Quote
elProfessor Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 Before you post something you need to dip your tongue in your brain and actually know what you're saying. Since this item exists in the game there is no actual way of abuse as you mention the item is there and everyone is free to farm it and use it as they want.So I will take your post as a suggestion which I respect and I know this item is kinda broken but it is not illegal you do not know if people are using it with macro or not you are just guessing so your post is not reporting an abuse its sharing what is in your brain. Have a nice day 5 1 Quote
Sky Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 (edited) There is a issue with that potion since 1 mage under parasite + torment can tank 2 assasins full gear at 2550+ ap each one for 10 seconds or more, there no issue that people can farm on delos, the issue became since u can earn abyss gems via merchant token, is easy to kill people around delos, but the problem came when u can put 10+ ids on merchant to earn that gems, the solution is simple as delete abyss gems from merchant token or put cold down on that potions @nikos32 Edited January 30 by Sky 1 2 Quote
elProfessor Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 2 hours ago, Sky said: There is a issue with that potion since 1 mage under parasite + torment can tank 2 assasins full gear at 2550+ ap each one for 10 seconds or more, there no issue that people can farm on delos, the issue became since u can earn abyss gems via merchant token, is easy to kill people around delos, but the problem came when u can put 10+ ids on merchant to earn that gems, the solution is simple as delete abyss gems from merchant token or put cold down on that potions @nikos32 you guys are so pathetic crying about 1 person hahaha its amazing whole nation cries about 1 guy you all funny monkeys really 1 1 Quote
Administrators nikos32 Posted January 30 Administrators Report Posted January 30 We'll consider this. Thank you for your suggestion. 1 1 Quote
MetRik Posted January 30 Author Report Posted January 30 36 minutes ago, nikos32 said: We'll consider this. Thank you for your suggestion. Thanks Quote
Traiteur Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 37 minutes ago, nikos32 said: We'll consider this. Thank you for your suggestion. Ya need to add some cds otherwise talia and delos pot can tank 2 pt alone . Quote
Sky Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 41 minutes ago, nikos32 said: We'll consider this. Thank you for your suggestion. Thanks ^^, Quote
OhaHayvanaBak Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 Every one farm abys and used cake ı dont see problem bro @nikos32 ı think Sky want to delete karus side and only play human PVE 2 Quote
OsmanAmca Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 (edited) There is absolutely no basis to categorize these items as an abuse of game mechanics. They are standard in-game assets, no different from Abyss Wings, Abyss Eyes, Acid Potions, or Holy Water Potions. These items are a core part of the game and are accessible to everyone. Any player who wishes to utilize them can invest the time to farm and exchange them. Choosing not to participate in that process is a personal gameplay preference, not a flaw or an exploit in the game’s design. Delos items have been an integral part of Knight Online since the very beginning. They have existed in USKO since 2004 and even earlier in KoreKO. They function today exactly as they have for the past two decades. This is not a new mechanic, nor is it something recently introduced or modified. It is an established system with over twenty years of history. Furthermore, these items are not easy to obtain. The drop rate is low, and both the farming and exchange processes require significant time and effort. This investment alone makes it clear that these items are not being "abused" or used without a cost. Every player has the exact same opportunity to obtain and use them under the same conditions. Similar examples, such as Abyss Eyes, Abyss Wings, Acid Potions, and Holy Water Pots, have existed for years without ever being labeled as abuse. It is also important to look at the scale of use. How many people are actually farming these items? How many players truly have them in their inventory? These items are consumed within minutes, yet they take hours to obtain. Currently, we only see a couple of players actually using them. Given how rare and extremely difficult they are to farm and exchange, it is hard to understand how this could possibly negatively affect anyone else's gameplay. The high cost and effort involved naturally limit their presence in the game, further proving that there is no widespread issue or abuse occurring. The only actual issue here is a minor error in the item description. Currently, the tooltip shows 200, but it should be corrected to 800 to match the official version, as it has been since 2004. @nikos32 Fixing this text will remove any confusion and provide full clarity for the players. Beyond this simple correction, everything is working exactly as intended. There is no exploitation, no unfair advantage, and nothing that justifies a complaint. Professional KO: https://ibb.co/LDQNKSKm USKO: https://ibb.co/Dfb5SP1m Edited January 30 by OsmanAmca 5 Quote
Sky Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 27 minutes ago, OhaHayvanaBak said: Every one farm abys and used cake ı dont see problem bro @nikos32 ı think Sky want to delete karus side and only play human PVE Read properly what i wrote, i said clearly there isnt problem with leave abyss gems to farm in delos, is easy to camp and kill players there, but the issue came when people get abyss gem via merchant tokens, people dont need to go delos anymore, just put 10+ ids on merchant to get it in easy way Quote
OsmanAmca Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 2 minutes ago, Sky said: Read properly what i wrote, i said clearly there isnt problem with leave abyss gems to farm in delos, is easy to camp and kill players there, but the issue came when people get abyss gem via merchant tokens, people dont need to go delos anymore, just put 10+ ids on merchant to get it in easy way Players choose to merchant and exchange their Merchant Tokens, and the rewards they receive contribute to their in-game progression. This is the core purpose of the merchant system and has long been one of the game’s fundamental mechanics. Given that we are aware of past instances where you personally engaged in real abuses and did not report any of them, it is not possible to take your approach or recommendations seriously. This attitude is not constructive. For this reason, it is impossible to consider this view consistent or sincere. The situation speaks for itself. 3 Quote
Sky Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 (edited) 3 minutes ago, OsmanAmca said: Players choose to merchant and exchange their Merchant Tokens, and the rewards they receive contribute to their in-game progression. This is the core purpose of the merchant system and has long been one of the game’s fundamental mechanics. Given that we are aware of past instances where you personally engaged in real abuses and did not report any of them, it is not possible to take your approach or recommendations seriously. This attitude is not constructive. For this reason, it is impossible to consider this view consistent or sincere. The situation speaks for itself. Btw in the another hand, do u report or say anything about the bug from those pink cake pots.? i wonder why didnt say anything about those cakes drop 200, 400 and 800 hp instead of 60, 120 and 240 like their descriptions If for u is normal 1 mage with full debuff can tank 2 rogues at 2550+ ap each one is normal, idk about what we talking about here, there isnt any kind of problem with delete that pots or put cold down, right.? Edited January 30 by Sky 1 Quote
Ojo Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 I was holding myself back from writing in this topic. But when ignorance is running rampant, if you don’t put some people in their place, they start thinking they’re right. First of all, let’s explain to this ignorant friend what the word bug actually means. A bug is a situation in a game (or software) that works differently than intended, is faulty, or behaves in an unexpected way. 1) There is no such thing as “cake bug abuse.” It cannot exist. That is literally how the cake is designed to work. This is not a bug. What you call a bug is something like parking your entire race’s characters in LNS until the server admin logs in and getting free coupons, or turning CSW into a race war. Those are bugs — and they are also forbidden. 2) I really want to believe that you’re fair and sincere, but then I remember how for months in CSW you came with 4–5 parties against 1–2 parties, 7–8 parties against 3–4 parties, and how you did this together with 2–3 clans. If you’re looking for justice, start looking for it there, buddy. Ignoring this as a problem and then opening a topic by labeling a completely legal potion — whose behavior is exactly as intended — as “bug abuse”… what kind of mindset is this? Honestly, you’re interesting people. 3) In every boss fight, you have at least twice as many players as the others — and you see no issue with that? But you’re here talking about the effect of a potion used by a single player — a potion that is neither unfair nor illegal? Do you seriously feel no shame? Doesn’t your face turn red at all? With that kind of zerg, do you really think you even have the moral ground to open a topic here? Are you really that lacking in ethics? Lastly, whenever I see you and people like you, a scene from the movie “Hababam Sınıfı” comes to my mind. Let me share that with you as well. Şu topice yazmamak için kendimi tutuyordum.Ama cehaletin kol gezdiği yerde birilerine haddini bildirmezsen, kendini haklı sanar. Öncelikle bu cahil arkadaşımıza bug kelimesinin ne anlama geldiğini açıklayalım. Bug; bir oyunda (ya da yazılımda) olması gerekenden farklı çalışan, hatalı veya beklenmeyen bir durum demektir. 1-Cake bug abuse diye birşey yok.Olamaz.Cake'in özelliği ve olayı bu zaten.Bu bir bug değil.Bug dediğiniz şey.bütün ırkınızın server admini dönene kadar LNS'de karakterlerinizi yatırıp bedavaya kupon almasıyla olur.Csw'yi ırk savaşına çevirmenizdir bug mesela.Bu hem bir bug hem de yasak. 2-Adil oldugunuza ve samimi oldugunuza o kadar inanmak istiyorum ki sonra CSW'de ki aylarca 1-2 partye 4-5, 3-4 partye 7-8 party geldiğiniz ve bunu 2-3 clan beraber yaptıgınız aklıma geliyor.:))Adaleti arıyorsan burdan ara bilader.Bunu bir sorun görmeyip oyunda gayet legal olan özelliği bu olan bir pota kendince bir bug abuse adını koyarak konu açmışsın bu nasıl bir zeka cidden ilginçsiniz. 3-Her boss savaşında nereden baksan 2 kat fazla ekibe sahipsiniz bunda herhangi bir behis görmüyorsun?Ama bir oyuncunun bir pot üzerinden "haksız olmayan ve adil olan bir potun" etkisini konuşuyorsun?Hiç mi utanmıyosunuz oglum?Hİç mi yüzünüz kızarmıyor?Şu kalabalıgınızla şuraya konu açma hakkını görecek kadar da ahlaktan yoksun musunuz? Son olarak siz ve sizin gibi bomboş adamları gördükçe "Hababam Sınıfını" filminden bir sahne aklıma geliyor.Sizinlede paylaşayım. 2 Quote
OsmanAmca Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Sky said: Btw in the another hand, do u report or say anything about the bug from those pink cake pots.? i wonder why didnt say anything about those cakes drop 200, 400 and 800 hp instead of 60, 120 and 240 like their descriptions If for u is normal 1 mage with full debuff can tank 2 rogues at 2550+ ap each one is normal, idk about what we talking about here, there isnt any kind of problem with delete that pots or put cold down, right.? I tried to be patient and waited for you to understand, but nothing changed. Anyway, there’s no need to thank me for yet another teaching session. https://ibb.co/JWW8p7jb https://ibb.co/tppsRLHZ Edited January 30 by OsmanAmca Quote
Sky Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 19 minutes ago, OsmanAmca said: I tried to be patient and waited for you to understand, but nothing changed. Anyway, there’s no need to thank me for yet another teaching session. https://ibb.co/JWW8p7jb https://ibb.co/tppsRLHZ According to u, u press 30 times 1 button in 1 second with hands.? cos i still wonder how u drop ur hp from 100 to 7200 hp in 1 second cos u was using the small pink cake 1 Quote
OsmanAmca Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Sky said: According to u, u press 30 times 1 button in 1 second with hands.? cos i still wonder how u drop ur hp from 100 to 7200 hp in 1 second cos u was using the small pink cake As you mentioned in your Discord message above, you said: “You’re trying to teach me how cakes work, which is the same as minor on assassin.” However, now you say that you’re wondering how it works. This feels contradictory. PS: 8 times enough, free math lesson for you. Edited January 30 by OsmanAmca 1 Quote
MetRik Posted January 31 Author Report Posted January 31 Konuyu ben açmıştım ama kendi tartışmalarınızı dahil etmişsiniz bir çok yerde, o yüzden alakasız yerleri okumadım. Alakalı 1 şey gözüme çarptı, "bu item 2004'ten beri oyunun kendisinde var" minvalinde bir şeydi. Bunu biliyorum, ama oyunun orijinal içeriğinden olması onu doğru veya gerekli yapmaz. Ben bu itemin ilk suistimal edilişini, galiba 2005 yılıydı, Zike ve 911 pk atarken 911'in ekranında canlı izledim, bu fikrim o zamandan beri geçerli. Ancak o zamanlar oyuncu sayısı ve item farkları çok yüksek olduğu için belki göze batmıyordu. Belki de bu fark edildi ama eski yöneticiler ciddi değişiklik yapmak istemedi, ama bu sonraki yöneticileri kısıtlamaz. Gelişim için değişim gerekir. Ben sadece bu sorun var, gerisi güllük gülistanlık demiyorum, özellikle BilimErason gibi bir nicki olan okçu abartınca fark ettim bu sorunu. Siz de yapılması gerektiğini düşündüğünüz değişiklikleri konu açarak belirtirseniz ben de konuya katkıda bulunmaya çalışırım. Bu arada kim olduğum fark edilememiş olabilir, benim oyundaki nick'im KitKat - TakTik Hepimize iyi şanslar, tabi böyle bir şey mümkünse... Quote
Sky Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 1 hour ago, OsmanAmca said: As you mentioned in your Discord message above, you said: “You’re trying to teach me how cakes work, which is the same as minor on assassin.” However, now you say that you’re wondering how it works. This feels contradictory. PS: 8 times enough, free math lesson for you. Sadly try to explain smth to someone who think that hes always right is waste of time, i compare the small pink cake pot the one that on description say 60 hp per use with minor, cos it also drop 60 hp per each use saying that even to me is impossible up 2k or 3k hp in 1 second with 3 minors (1 right click with ctrl + 2 minor on 3-4) The one who didnt even know maths isnt me since small pink cake drop 200 hp per use, 10 mean 2000 hp points, so ya 30 uses mean 6000 1 3 1 Quote
Aniara Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 @nikos32 theres a related issue with delos pot farming. a character named ııııııııııı(i cant even type it) is 24/7 farming in delos those abyss gem bypassing anticaptcha control. i just made an opposite nation character to kill that macro character to reduce abyys gem generation but the game should do it byself(teleporting him to moradon) . Quote
shrek4 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 Farming 10,000 Abyss Gems takes days, and the number of cakes obtained from 10,000 Abyss Gems does not exceed 250. Breaking these gems also takes days, and again, the total number of cakes obtained from 10,000 gems does not exceed 250. This only provides a slight advantage for 1–2 hours of PK. If you get angry over a few hours of advantage earned through hours of farming and effort, then the real unfairness comes from you. Please try doing and using this publicly available farm yourself, or stop complaining. 2 Quote
Aniara Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 Give me a name who is farming in delos. Getting 250 25 or 2500 is not the issue. That guy is farming it with zero effort "bypassing" antimacro captcha Quote
Sky Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 2 hours ago, Aniara said: @nikos32 theres a related issue with delos pot farming. a character named ııııııııııı(i cant even type it) is 24/7 farming in delos those abyss gem bypassing anticaptcha control. i just made an opposite nation character to kill that macro character to reduce abyys gem generation but the game should do it byself(teleporting him to moradon) . U can get abyss gem via merchant tokens Quote
Sky Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 (edited) Is good to see how 1 full clan come to deffend those pots, sadly the issue isnt farm abyss gems on delos map, is easy to make 1 id to leave on delos and kill them, the issue became u can just leave ur id at moradon and get it via merchant tokens, as u read above there is issue how u spam those pots, sadly as i said is impossible u up ur hp from 100 to 7200 in 1 second, i play assas and even for me (ctrl + 2 minor on 3 and 4 spaming) is hard to up 2-3k hp in 1 second, now ur friend say he dont need any kind of macro for it since he use small pink cake that drop 200 hp points per use, can lets do some maths, if there is 100 hp and to be full at 7200 u need 7100 rest, right.? Thats around 35 pots that u need to press, u think is possible to catch that amount with hands.? The solution is simple as put cold down on delos pots or delete abyss gems from merchant tokens Anyway Nikos have the last word, have good day Edited January 31 by Sky Quote
Aniara Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 18 minutes ago, Sky said: U can get abyss gem via merchant tokens i already knew that. u can also get them 24/7 afk farming in delos way faster Quote
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