bilal recone Posted October 4, 2021 Report Share Posted October 4, 2021 Hey, I really cant understand this anvil how u guys say in site upgrade rates in anvil for (accessorys) Is (30%) today from just 5min I burned 6x3 things in anvil for accessorys ( 3x kekuri ring / 3x lupus pandnet / 3x lobo pandnet / 3x mino / 3x we / 3x bdw ring fire ) how all this things burn ? and u guys say its 30 % lol.... I want any 1 from gms to explain this to me, I see some ppl just burn 1 thing and the secound item up to +1 so easy. Iam waiting ur explain guys ( @nikos32 @GM_Thanos) 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM_Thanos Posted October 4, 2021 Report Share Posted October 4, 2021 Hello, First of all I want you to know that I am really sad for you about burning those items. And I guess you are angry about this. Let me explain: 30% does not mean 3x success in 10x tries. This is chance; all of them could go to +1, none of them could go to +1. Also burning useless/useful items before an upgrade does not increase your chance. So, burning a useless ring before you upgrade a useful ring does not help your success. This is chance; the result is 1 or 0. Out of all these, I do not think there is a problem about upgrade rates different than we wrote; but, I will check again if there is something wrong or not. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHunter Posted October 4, 2021 Report Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, GM_Thanos said: Hello, First of all I want you to know that I am really sad for you about burning those items. And I guess you are angry about this. Let me explain: 30% does not mean 3x success in 10x tries. This is chance; all of them could go to +1, none of them could go to +1. Also burning useless/useful items before an upgrade does not increase your chance. So, burning a useless ring before you upgrade a useful ring does not help your success. This is chance; the result is 1 or 0. Out of all these, I do not think there is a problem about upgrade rates different than we wrote; but, I will check again if there is something wrong or not. Sayın Thanos ilk defa senden duyuyoruz item yakmanın upgrade şansını etkilemediğini.Yıllar yıllar boyu insanlar bunu hep böyle bildi böyle upgrade yapıp oynadılar.Şimdi siz GM olarak bugüne kadar alışılagelmiş bir gerçeğin aslında öyle olmadığını söylüyorsunuz.Yani bunu Belediyenin şantiyesinde sabahtan akşama kadar çalışıp eve gidince knight oynayan insandan tutun, yurt dışında yüksek mühendislik yapan adama kadar böyle biliyor böyle yaşıyordu.Bunun aksini iddia ettiğinize göre buna dair bir kanıtınız var mı? Edited October 4, 2021 by BigHunter Can sıkıntısı Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefnl Posted October 4, 2021 Report Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, GM_Thanos said: Hello, First of all I want you to know that I am really sad for you about burning those items. And I guess you are angry about this. Let me explain: 30% does not mean 3x success in 10x tries. This is chance; all of them could go to +1, none of them could go to +1. Also burning useless/useful items before an upgrade does not increase your chance. So, burning a useless ring before you upgrade a useful ring does not help your success. This is chance; the result is 1 or 0. Out of all these, I do not think there is a problem about upgrade rates different than we wrote; but, I will check again if there is something wrong or not. Bize bilimsel verilerle gelebilir misiniz Sayın Thanos ? Lütfen bilim ışığında konuşun ya da oyuncuların kafasını karıştırmayın.Onlarca yıl olacak neredeyse oyun çıkalı ve doğru bilinen gerçekleri şuan yanlış gibi lanse ediyorsunuz.Bu çok can sıkıcı bir durum.Söylediğinizin zıttı olan yüzlerce video atabilirim... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilal recone Posted October 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2021 2 hours ago, GM_Thanos said: Hello, First of all I want you to know that I am really sad for you about burning those items. And I guess you are angry about this. Let me explain: 30% does not mean 3x success in 10x tries. This is chance; all of them could go to +1, none of them could go to +1. Also burning useless/useful items before an upgrade does not increase your chance. So, burning a useless ring before you upgrade a useful ring does not help your success. This is chance; the result is 1 or 0. Out of all these, I do not think there is a problem about upgrade rates different than we wrote; but, I will check again if there is something wrong or not. Thx for ur explain, but really bro Iam sure there is wrong in this anvil I tryed alot of thing, always burn burn burn. + bro I now its just a chance but 6x items is alot on it, the server was before this 1 from just 3x3 items or 4x3 up it was more easy bec that I made a topic. btw its not the first time but really this time I lost alot of money bec I was sure 6x3 items like 90 % up noway to all burn. Thx for ur time bro 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM_Thanos Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 22 hours ago, BigHunter said: Sayın Thanos ilk defa senden duyuyoruz item yakmanın upgrade şansını etkilemediğini.Yıllar yıllar boyu insanlar bunu hep böyle bildi böyle upgrade yapıp oynadılar.Şimdi siz GM olarak bugüne kadar alışılagelmiş bir gerçeğin aslında öyle olmadığını söylüyorsunuz.Yani bunu Belediyenin şantiyesinde sabahtan akşama kadar çalışıp eve gidince knight oynayan insandan tutun, yurt dışında yüksek mühendislik yapan adama kadar böyle biliyor böyle yaşıyordu.Bunun aksini iddia ettiğinize göre buna dair bir kanıtınız var mı? Değil önden yakmalık atmak, Moradon'un tamamını da yaksanız şansınızın artmayacağını söyleyebilirim ama sizi ikna edemem. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM_Thanos Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 22 hours ago, thefnl said: Bize bilimsel verilerle gelebilir misiniz Sayın Thanos ? Ya 1'dir ya da 0. Bundan daha bilimsel bir yaklaşım yok. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindkrash Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 On 10/4/2021 at 5:35 PM, bilal recone said: Thx for ur explain, but really bro Iam sure there is wrong in this anvil I tryed alot of thing, always burn burn burn. + bro I now its just a chance but 6x items is alot on it, the server was before this 1 from just 3x3 items or 4x3 up it was more easy bec that I made a topic. btw its not the first time but really this time I lost alot of money bec I was sure 6x3 items like 90 % up noway to all burn. Thx for ur time bro I think its a lot of luck mate to make +8. I've burned many items to make +8 and I've also haven't burned anything and made +8. Its all RNG in my opinion, but its hard to convince players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HealingSpirit Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 I dunno if that makes you feel better, but i lost a red chitin while trying +4 or +5 (don't remember very well) WITH Trina. Literally statistic and RNG decided to give me the middle finger. hahahaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilal recone Posted October 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 10:52 PM, mindkrash said: I think its a lot of luck mate to make +8. I've burned many items to make +8 and I've also haven't burned anything and made +8. Its all RNG in my opinion, but its hard to convince players. Bro I made Alot of accessorys I never Seen this Burn before really I dont know what is this, + ring is more Ez than Items bro us u know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilal recone Posted October 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 1 hour ago, HealingSpirit said: I dunno if that makes you feel better, but i lost a red chitin while trying +4 or +5 (don't remember very well) WITH Trina. Literally statistic and RNG decided to give me the middle finger. hahahaha u didnot see how many valkuiri I burned from +4 to +5 , like what I said I lost most of my items in this sh1t anvil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leboardzx Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 hey recone you look angry like when you lose Juraid Mountains Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefnl Posted October 8, 2021 Report Share Posted October 8, 2021 On 10/5/2021 at 10:41 PM, GM_Thanos said: Ya 1'dir ya da 0. Bundan daha bilimsel bir yaklaşım yok. Yukarida kanitlayamam dediginiz verileri simdi 1 ve 0 gibi kesinliklerle dayatma derdindesiniz,kesin olmayan verilerle oyunculari yanlis yonlendirmeniz cok yakisiksiz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasScamShelby Posted October 8, 2021 Report Share Posted October 8, 2021 Ben katılmıyorum bu görüşe,oran hep sabittir fakat şu da bir gerçek %50 varsayalım geçme olasılığını, bu şu demek 1/(2nin 10.kuvveti) yani 1/1024.Bu yüzden bir yerde elbet geçecek çünkü bu kadar düşük oranları yakalamak zor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HealingSpirit Posted October 8, 2021 Report Share Posted October 8, 2021 19 hours ago, bilal recone said: u didnot see how many valkuiri I burned from +4 to +5 , like what I said I lost most of my items in this sh1t anvil I hear ya, bro! I lost so many items that i kinda gave up playing. Somehow i managed to make a whole rc+7 for my priest. After that, i lost pretty much everything, even trying to +4 with Trina. hahahaha in fact, it's been a while i don't play. :x 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilal recone Posted October 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 On 10/8/2021 at 1:56 AM, leboardzx said: hey recone you look angry like when you lose Juraid Mountains Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHunter Posted November 26, 2021 Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 On 10/5/2021 at 10:39 PM, GM_Thanos said: Değil önden yakmalık atmak, Moradon'un tamamını da yaksanız şansınızın artmayacağını söyleyebilirim ama sizi ikna edemem. Yalan söylüyorsun https://youtu.be/wGHXJiK09Bc?t=60 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocenzio Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 20 yıldır kopamadığım şu oyunda(2002) edindiğim tecrübem ve tamamen kendi görüşümdür... önden yakmalık item atmanın hiç bir mantığı yok, bu itemin geçmesi tamamen bir olasılık. Bu mantıkla gittin anvile tek bir itemin var +7 ve bunu tekte +8 basmak imkansız olurdu, örnek olarak bu sw de tekte bir md 8 birde shard 8 basan insanlar gördüm mesela, veya +7 ye bastığı itemi direk 8 e gönderip basanıda gördüm, bunun önden yakmalık bir item atmakla bir ilgisi yok, şans arttırdığını düşünmüyorum. Sadece o itemi yakmış oluyorsun bu kadar. Nice try diyip geçerim. Tamamen bir algoritma.. Tekde geçebilir veya 10 item yakarsın 11. geçebilir veya hepsi yanabilir. Şuda bir olasılık, hepside geçebilir fakat geçme oranı çok düşük olduğu için o oranı arka arkaya yakalamak imkansız gibi gözüküyor, ama sadece gözüküyor aslında matematik olarak bakarsan imkansız değil. Matematik olarak bakarsan olaya bir olasılık neden olmasın? Ulan upgrade konusuna matematik dersi vermiş herif diyende çıkabilir bu yazıyı okuyunca, upgrade olayı bence baştan aşağı matematiktir zaten Saygılar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocenzio Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 (edited) bugüne kadar izlediğim en mantıklı video bu. İzlemenizi öneririm. Uprage olayında oyunun c++ kaynak kodları incelemiş ve çalışma mantığını can sıkmadan akıcı bir şekilde çok güzel anlatmış. Yani item upgrade tamamen %100 bir şekilde kesinlikle ve kesinlikle olasılık üzerinde bir ŞANS unsuru olduğunun kanıtıdır. Edited May 14, 2022 by Innocenzio 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotatoFarmer Posted May 15, 2022 Report Share Posted May 15, 2022 So basically future outcome does not depend on previous one? same with upgrades? this is huge and kudos to OP for starting such a good topic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuka Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 On 10/5/2021 at 2:43 AM, bilal recone said: Hey, I really cant understand this anvil how u guys say in site upgrade rates in anvil for (accessorys) Is (30%) today from just 5min I burned 6x3 things in anvil for accessorys ( 3x kekuri ring / 3x lupus pandnet / 3x lobo pandnet / 3x mino / 3x we / 3x bdw ring fire ) how all this things burn ? and u guys say its 30 % lol.... I want any 1 from gms to explain this to me, I see some ppl just burn 1 thing and the secound item up to +1 so easy. Iam waiting ur explain guys ( @nikos32 @GM_Thanos) Take a look at user profile in webpanel, so many +1 items has been made. its not that hard tho.anvil will hurt you sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megajuif Posted July 25, 2022 Report Share Posted July 25, 2022 i think its very frustrating too, but if the rates go highter, it will fuck up the economy because burning is good to keep the price viable, if every1 make +8 no longer need to farm, and the prices will go down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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